Hip Scores

Ok,I have been offered a mating for Summer with a dog i really like
He has done well in the showring and i love his look and colour,but....
.........his hipscore is 20.Would you use him?

thats fine Jan 20 is the maxbreed council will accept KC dont put limit on it

Hmm,its quite high though Kenny.

not when you think of the ones that breed from dogs that are not scored

if he has sired pups already check to see it they have been scored if he is in show scene will not be hard to find out

He hasnt been used yet Kenny

20??

i'd be a bit wary Jan bloody hell Indie scored 6 did'nt he
it's ok for the KC to have limit of 20!! those lot can afford it hun..

you could set your own limits and draw a line no higher than -- whatever your limit is. and stick to it IMO anyway
good luck whatever you decide hun

Exactly what i was thinking Karen.

I thought 20 was a bit high as well, I also thought that 18 was the highest people would go to

what are the hipscores at the back of him, are his scores even on both sides, sometimes trauma can cause it to be higher on 1 side, i personally wouldn't use a dog with hipscore over 12 but that is my personal opinion

I thought 20 was high too

12 even better,

The average score apparantley is 19 so ideally your looking at
something below that,the lower the better.20 sounds alarm bells for me.
He is a lovely looking dog but health must come before looks.
Think i will stick to my original choice of stud,his hips are 10.
I will post a pic of him when i find it,lol.

look forward to that hun

yes DJD could cause that but still if it was me i wouldnt even think about it hun he may throw pups with low scores but IMO is it worth the risk ??

i was going to stud Rostam, but i can tell you know if he scored 20 i would have him castrated That is just disgusting IMO. a malis highest score is 8 and there is a reason for that, we dont use dogs with high socres any that does have high scores gets castrated and not used.

you know what your doing hun so im sure you will make the best dessission he may have great clour and be good in the show ring but his scores speak for himself dont they, whats his elbow score? his bloods came back ok ?

No Fazza its not worth the risk so i will stick to my original choice.

Jan u have to remember the score is out of 100. Fazza most breeders will not use a dog with score above current average for stud. at present 19.(bitch or dog)

Fazza the difference with malis and gsd is there is at least 5 times as many gsds hip scored yearly thats why the average is higher until the kc make hip scoring compulsery that will not change.
I get the breeb supplement each quarter which list all score for working and pastrol breeds, hips elbows,eyes and any other health check that breeder has done (not compulsery with kc) and some scores come back in 70-80s for hips as long as people keep breeding from unscored stock the average will not come down


Karen the KC DONT HAVE A LIMIT FOR HIPS

the breed average at present is 19 Its the gsd Breed council that sets the limits for member clubs but this does not stop non members from breeding from scores above this.

the kc continue to go on about health issues within the gsd as the real reason for the withdrawls of cc in 2012 which but this is not the case.

The gsd partnership is currently pushing to adopt the following.
all gsds entered at a kc show must have the following
hip scored (below average) elbows,heammo clear,etc this way only dogs who have been health checked can be made up to champion the kc have refused this.
thats the reason the KC have turned on the gsds .
the will not adopt the health checks as an entry to a kc show so why go on about health issues

So,would you use a stud dog with a hip score of 20 Kenny
on your girls,when they are ready.

yes i agree kenny i mean working malis from overseas my lad isnt from british bred dogs as i dont buy from show bred dogs and mots of working malis are IMP that are starting the lines over here not british ones.

but just because more GSD's get scored ect shouldnt mean the ave hip score should be high. the only way to get better standards in health ect is to accept nothing less then perfect really isnt it and 20 is far from it IMO.

just because a dog looks good and does well in the ring and has nice colour but high scores should it really be used ??

this is just my opinion as to me as a working person bad hips no dog....

Hi My take on it...
Hips are one part of the dog, what are his siblings scores, Sire and Dam, what has the family produced regarding good hips, If this male has everything to offer your female (Elbows,Character) and comes from a family of good hips I would do the mating, If my female also had a good family background for hips.

One dog comes to mind with a 22 score Ch Lindanvale Vegas, (there is more) the dog ended up being a very good hip producer and a superb producer of breed type. this is jmop.

Would love to use Conadrew Rocky but he's not proven yet
and i dont think Summer is the easiest bitch to mate.

SUMMER wrote:

Would love to use Conadrew Rocky but he's not proven yet
and i dont think Summer is the easiest bitch to mate.

That always is a problem, a young inexperianced male, you said in another thread you were thinking of Lauser, he is a proven stud and a good one at that takes no s*** from the females, but the risk here is longcoats, dont know if that will be a problem for you.
I love them but if you are looking for the ring you can bet the best will be a longcoat they always are lol

Yeah Joyce,although Rocky was my first choice i am going to use Lauser
Long coats wont be a problem as a lot of people are asking me for l/c now.
Will have to see if we get any l/c in the litter as i'm not sure if Summer carries
the L/c gene.

SUMMER wrote:

Yeah Joyce,although Rocky was my first choice i am going to use Lauser
Long coats wont be a problem as a lot of people are asking me for l/c now.
Will have to see if we get any l/c in the litter as i'm not sure if Summer carries
the L/c gene.

You will soon find out if Summer carrie's the gene lol....Best of luck, I will post some of the Lauser puppies we had, they were gorgeous, and characters to die for x