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March 8, 2009
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Her film on the plight of inbred show dogs caused a storm. Jemima Harrison visits Crufts incognito to look for progress


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The whippet breeder is outraged. “All this talk of health is spoiling our
fun,” she complained. “Really, I could kill that Jemima Harrison.”
Indeed she could. She is standing right next to me. But she doesn’t know this,
because I am at Crufts 2009 incognito. The Kennel Club has refused me
permission to film. It says it doesn’t want me spoiling its day. I am, in
the eyes of some here, the most hated woman in dogdom. The reason? I
directed Pedigree Dogs Exposed – the documentary that my company Passionate
Productions made for the BBC last August highlighting health and welfare
problems in some of our best-loved breeds.
Now, unwanted but curious, I am back as a paying customer. And what do I
think? I think it stinks.
It’s not the gamey whiff of the Irish terrier strung up on a table, groomed to
millimetre perfection. It’s not the acrid aroma from the splashes of urine
pooling by the rows of benches where hundreds of bored-looking dogs doze,
waiting their turn in the ring. It’s the stench of continuing denial in the
face of overwhelming evidence that there is something terribly wrong with
our pedigree dogs.

The fallout from Pedigree Dogs Exposed was swift and substantial. The RSPCA,
Dogs Trust and People’s Dispensary for Sick Animals (PDSA) pulled out of
Crufts. So did Pedigree, the show’s main sponsor. Finally, after appointing
an independent panel to advise on the health issues raised by the film, the
BBC suspended its coverage of Crufts for the first time in more than 40
years.
“The majority of pedigree dogs are perfectly healthy,” has become the Kennel
Club’s defence mantra. True, many of the dogs here at Crufts will live long
and healthy lives. But saying this is not enough: it’s like Hannibal
Lecter’s defence lawyer parading a stream of men and women through the
courtroom and proclaiming: “Members of the jury . . . I give you . . . all
these people the defendant didn’t eat.”
At the National Exhibition Centre in Birmingham, huge banners hang across the
entrance to the show halls. They declare, “Crufts . . . celebrating happy,
healthy dogs”, and I want to be convinced, I do. But I’m not.
It’s not that the basset and bloodhounds’ red-rimmed eyes are as sore and
saggy as last year, because of course it’s going to take time to change
things. No, the reason for my heavy heart is that, apart from a few pockets
of hope, Crufts 2009 burns with resentment that outsiders have come in and
turned the world upside down.
The past weeks have seen the Kennel Club alternate between accepting the
charges levelled at it by its critics and stamping its feet like a spoilt
child.
On Thursday I watch as Caroline Kisko, the Kennel Club secretary, tells a Sky
News crew: “We shouldn’t be humanising this. What we are talking about here
are dogs and dogs have a very different genetic structure to us.” She then
adds that all this talk about “inbreeding” is boring. Boring? Try telling
that to the whippets here. Many of the show dogs are very inbred and suffer
from the immune system problems that occur frequently when you mate close
relatives together for generation after generation.
After Pedigree Dogs Exposed, the Kennel Club announced that from March 1, 2009
it would no longer register the progeny of mother-to-son, father-to-daughter
and brother-to-sister matings. These kinds of unions have traditionally
allowed breeders to replicate champions – at the expense of genetic
diversity. Banning such mating, then, is an important first step.
But at Crufts on Thursday, I overhear Jeff Sampson, the Kennel Club’s genetics
adviser, tell one inquirer to the new Crufts Health Zone that the ban on
incest matings is “just a PR thing”. Also in the wake of the programme the
Kennel Club has revised 78 breed standards – the written descriptions that
dictate what a breed should look like. There are 56 changes to the bulldog
standard alone – although some are minimal. The bulldog’s head must no
longer be “large”, just “relatively large”.
A more moderate bulldog does win best of breed at Crufts this year, but
several very big, very wrinkled, lumbering beasts are awarded with rosettes
in clear defiance of the revised breed standard. “The general public just
doesn’t understand them,” insists one exhibitor, who thinks it is okay that
most bulldogs are born by caesarean section, because, after all, “Victoria
Beck-ham has them. They’re simply too posh to push”, he explains, eyes
twinkling.
“Put your tongue back in,” says the owner of a rasping pug, who then helpfully
pops the dog’s protruding appendage back into its mouth herself.
“He has an elongated soft palate,” she explains, “and his sister has luxating
patellas.” Both are serious faults. And yet here they are at the mecca of
pedigree dogdom. “They are a very ill breed,” she then whispers
conspiratorially. “Some of the breeders are very bad.”
In the peke ring, dogs with the flattest of faces are still winning, again
despite the newly revised breed standard that demands the dogs have at least
a bit of a muzzle in order to ease the respiratory problems that are common.
“Let’s go for a little walk,” says one owner to the ball of fluff at her
feet that has just won its class. The peke walks about five yards, then
refuses to go any further. I think of my own dogs, which cover up to 20
miles a day on Salisbury Plain.
Yet on Thursday the Kennel Club issued a statement stating it was “unfair”
that its critics have forced it to rush through these changes. “We have been
working on this for the past five years,” says Caroline Kisko. “But these
things take time.”
A very long time. In 1985 the Kennel Club’s Bill Edmond answered the critics
of the day with this: “We are coming to the end of a review of the breed
standards where we are removing clauses in those standards that require
exaggeration. We recognise, and most of the breeders recognise, that you
don’t need exaggeration in any animal in fact. It’s a very big revision:
we’re taking out clauses which were deleterious to the breeds.”
They said exactly the same to me in an interview last year – before the film
was aired. And now they’re saying it again. Forgive me for thinking it’s
groundhog day. Or perhaps that should be ground-dog day.
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She's right the kennel club still will not follow the gsd breed council and make health checks that breeders are using now as compulsary because they lose revenue on litter registration.
All our pups are sold with endosements(the kc dont like this) but if the buyers of our pups dont do the health checks we do (hips and elbows) i do not lift the endorsement so if they do have pups the cannot be registered with the kc.
I am not saying all breeders want this but u seen the back lash Jan got on data base with people wanting to no if her dogs were hips scored.
It was noticed a lot of the big breeders never made any comment so does this mean they dont follow what they preach
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Although I'm not at all surprised...



I was talking to someone on another forum about Maggie's pedigree and she has her older sister. It turns out that we suspect that the breeder has been using two dogs to breed at the same time and registering all the puppies with one of the mothers, thus leaving her free to breed from both dogs every season and registering all the puppies with the KC.
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thats why they have introduced the dna test so u can prove the parents of the pups
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But who uses it? I take it its not standard breeding practices of registered dogs?
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im not a fan of show dogs and their breeders as like kenny has said some of the biggest breeders are the ones f**king the breeds up they know best yadda yadda

give me a mutt anyday hence why i love my malinois the product of breeding for work and funtion not looks type ect they in fact are a mutt in many ways and healthy and long lived for it their ave life span is 14 -15yrs old and gen only die of old age and the odd cancer

the KC need to pull thier fingers out IMO i could say loads on this but wont lol
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Paula the joint gsd groups put certain proposals to the kc they rejected all but another meeting is arranged,There has even been a sugestion of a two tier system where pups born from hips scored(etc health checked) parents would get a different type (colour) of registration form and pedigree,and pups from only one checked or where no parents have been checked would get a different registration that way kc would still get registration money but joe puplic would know which breeders are using health checked breeding stock
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it would then be like south africa and germany depending on what the dogs have the higher qualifications both have you are likely to get a pink pedigree which means you've got the cream of the crop and the others are just plain white pedigrees, god I cant believe how childish this whole thing is we broke away from the kennel club in south africa and in Zim years ago in some areas england is sooooooo backward
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kennym wrote:
Paula the joint gsd groups put certain proposals to the kc they rejected all but another meeting is arranged,There has even been a sugestion of a two tier system where pups born from hips scored(etc health checked) parents would get a different type (colour) of registration form and pedigree,and pups from only one checked or where no parents have been checked would get a different registration that way kc would still get registration money but joe puplic would know which breeders are using health checked breeding stock

Still wont stop BYB registering pups and selling for more money then? They shouldnt be registered at all without proof of parentage and the healthchecks suitable for the breed IMO.

Speaking of health tests, does anyone know if the "generally accepted" hipscore for a bullmastiff is the same as a GSD?
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