This dog really doen't like cesar!

i saw this episode linda it was so funny but not, iykwim,
his jumper was shredded :2431:

Hm interesting video. But at the beginning, looks like he puts his foot up at towards to dog? Maybe it's just me?...

Well that one was a challenge,cesar's off to buy a new jumper now

Karen wrote:

Hm interesting video. But at the beginning, looks like he puts his foot up at towards to dog? Maybe it's just me?...

Yeah your right. At the beginning when the dog looks over at the other dog, cesar kicks him.... and thats when the dog starts

I saw this as well, I know what you mean Karen Liverplop, it was and wasn't

I use the same method for Lexus, to redirect him from cats ( he wants to kill them). But it's not a kick i just push him with my foot, to get him out of balance and redirect him back to me.. It really works for us, he hardly never want to run after to kill the cats when we're out walking anymore. as soon as he looks at a cat when we're out walking I'll give him a push with my foot.
I've used it when he was getting aggressive to dogs like rotties too, and it's not a problem anymore.

But in his fenced part of the garden, he's able to chase cats every day, because I'm not always there to stop him, he almost got one today.

storm_survivor wrote:

Karen wrote:

Hm interesting video. But at the beginning, looks like he puts his foot up at towards to dog? Maybe it's just me?...

Yeah your right. At the beginning when the dog looks over at the other dog, cesar kicks him.... and thats when the dog starts

That's exactly what i though.. was he ment to kick the dog?

It's not a kick it's a push to redirect the dog from the other dog, this was a highly aggressive dominant dog who went for his owner when he couldn't get to the other dog (that he wanted to kill)

theres a big difference between a kick and a push with the foot....i do it with fred when hes chasing our cat, if i cant get him with my hand i will redirect him with my foot.. all though have to say, he never learns lol....

I agree. This wasnt a kick. He uses this a lot & its more to say 'hey, I'm talking to you'

yea, more of a ploy to redirect his attention, and he sure did that lol

Its easy & it works except with Todd cos I always aim too high & miss him altogether!!

lol, or even worse your aim colud be spot on and hes launched sky high .....

seruoulsy though ... it works with betty too.... if shes running through the lounge and i stick my foot out, she knows lol... she stops dead and goes to lie down or she will skirt around me and go into the kithcen

I do the same too, usually with my knee if were walking. Cant reach Mags though, Mimi is normally between her and myself but it does work a treat

I cant load the clip but I think I saw the episode, the dog was extremely dominant and bit Cesar a few times.

He calmed down in the end though and was more manageable for the owners.

I'm sure a nudge/kick will redirect many dogs. Most of us could easily use this technique successfully with our dogs, as we know them, and they know us, and trust us. But this dog had some serious problems, meaning there was a strong chance of him being highly reactive, and he was being handled by a total stranger with whom he had no relationship.

What we see at the beginning of the video is very normal dog greeting body language. There is no signs of aggression. When Cesar sees the dog look at the other one he does the kick/nudge thing from behind. Any reactive dog is going to respond to an out of the blue touch where it cannot see. Then the dogs turns on Cesar, who could have then stopped the attack with some savvy body language and voice control. But what does he chose to do? Hang the dog!

Before you put a dog into a situation where it's likely to fail (like Cesar did), you teach it to focus. Teach the dog to look at your face when given the command, or the "leave it" command. Then you introduce the stimuli (other dog) at a distance, teaching the dog to focus with the stimuli present, using commands and praise/treats. Then you reduce the distance between the dogs gradually, and eventually fade the treats. After time your dog will learn to look to you when another dog is present for praise. Working with a dog this way will build trust and respect.

Instead, Cesar taught the dog here that when another dog is present he will get kicked from behind and hung from his leash until he loses his breath. Yes, it looked like the dog surrendered to Cesar, but anyone who'd had their air supply restricted would eventually hit the floor and gasp for breath. And he did give up the fight with Cesar, it's called "learned helplessness".... not a very good basis for a human/dog relationship.

I think Cesar wanted to entice the dog into a frenzy. After all, a dog walking past another dog nicely would make pretty boring tv, especially as this dog is meant to be out of control. Trouble is this is all about tv ratings and not so much about the care and welfare of the animal/family.

Hmm thats pretty strong stuff Linda. Not got a lot of time for Cesar have you? :2445:

Oh, I really think he has some great ideas.. and I've used a lot of them myself. There's no doubt he has helped lots of dogs and owners and I admire him for it. I just think he goes over the top with the pack leader/dominance thing he does. Just thing some times his approach in that way isn't needed.... some poor dogs on that show crap themselves!

yeah that's i think lol

slynico wrote:

Hmm thats pretty strong stuff Linda. Not got a lot of time for Cesar have you? :2445:

sorry bev... didn't mean to get heavy!

It does concern me though that some young hoodies out there, with their staffies/rotties, are gonna watch stuff like that and gonna think training their dog is about kicking and yanking the dog about if it so much as looks at another dog or until it submits to them... scary stuff

some one once said on a thread in another forum about cesars theory about dog pulling being a dominant thing, but looking at in another way, could it not just mean that the dog is eager to get to where its going???

i agree, some of the stuff he says and teaches is pretty useful, but when you see him with the dog hanging off the lead like that, im pretty sure even the calmest of dogs is going to react in a panic stricken way!

I think the best attitude to have is to take what works for you from wherever and keep an open mind. I do prefer more positve ways of working with dogs rather than correction.. but sometimes a kick up the ass is exactly what's needed. But here i just question whether it was needed in this instance or whether it made more exciting tv.

Anyone tried the illusion collar? I've heard it works well.

ive looked at the illusion collar on the site,but i hadnt heard of anyone who had used one....

i am going to invest in a gencon though... they do look good and apparantly are worth it!...

as for cesars techniques, as with any training, you pick out what you need and what is going to work, but i do think a lot is for the show,and ratings though..

As far as i can remember this is a tiny clip from the episode, Cesar was called to help the other dog in this clip with some problems, and when they got to the park the other dog, tried to get from his owners to (kill) the dog Cesar was helping, when the other dog couldn't get to the dog, he went for his owners girlfriend and bit her. she was crying and Cesar walked up there to help. He gave them some advice on things to work with and showed them how to control him when he tried to attack them..

I would most likely have hanged the dog too, if it was trying to bite me.

We used a lot of cesars methods when we had a foster dog here with us, she was scared of almost everything.. She attacked a kid and a woman on a bike, and another dog. and was about to be put to sleep by the police, but they gave us one chance to work with her. with help from Lexus and 2 dog trainers using cesars methods, she left us after 2 months later a confident girl, not scared of anything to a lovely family with kids and other dogs.. she's doing really fine now, and no one there believe them when they tell them about how she used to be

I would never have used any of Cesars methods without talking to the dog trainers first, and learning how to use them.. and his methods are much better explained in his books, than it is on tv.

That makes interesting reading Kari. Thanks