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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:36 pm | |
| Saw this ad in the telegraph online and wondered if they did anything you were looking for? REGISTERED PET BEHAVIOURIST Dog Training Classes, Behaviour Therapy, New Puppy ABC's. Fully Insured. CAPBT Registered. Danni Damon BSc(Hons), Dip. CABT www.purplepetbehaviour.co.uk 07904 741957 or 01530 814855 | |
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fredsmum Admin
Number of posts : 31916 Age : 49 Location : posh part of derby Rep : 48 Points : 35959 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:41 pm | |
| cheers for that hun... they sound quite scary lol.... according to them im abusing fred :2431: .. but i will look at the site properly and see what theyre about .. :love: '' Using punishment, aversive or punitive methods such as choke chains, leash 'corrections' water sprays, cans of stones, shock or prong collars, shouting or hitting, is not only abusive, but merely teaches a dog to do what you want by instilling fear and inflicting pain. That isn't training - it's just animal abuse . | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:43 pm | |
| Oh, I didnt look at the site :2431: | |
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fredsmum Admin
Number of posts : 31916 Age : 49 Location : posh part of derby Rep : 48 Points : 35959 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:46 pm | |
| :2431: i felt shamed when i read that lol | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:47 pm | |
| Oh, have you seen the prices?
E-Mail Behaviour Consultation
£90 Includes 60 days email support. If further emails are required after 60 days, £10 per email.
Actually, shall we just delete this whole thread? :2445: :2445: | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:48 pm | |
| Do you really feel that you've "frightened" Fred into doing anything for you? I dont Shelley. These are just too "goody" and probably would advise people with mildly aggressive dogs that they can do nothing and pts is best | |
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fredsmum Admin
Number of posts : 31916 Age : 49 Location : posh part of derby Rep : 48 Points : 35959 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:51 pm | |
| bloody hell, the prices are unbelivable :san41: freds definately not frightened into his dogmatic...he knows the minute that goes on, hes going somewhere fun i dont think i will bother reading the site tbh... :2431: we'll leave the thread up so people can read it and know to stay away from these people.... mind you... the price they charge for e-mail support is something faz should look into, she could make some money lol | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:54 pm | |
| I agree, this is quite scandalous. PLEASE NOTE: All payments are non-returnable and non-transferable. Cancellation Policy Due to an increasingly high demand for appointments, we have had to introduce a cancellation policy from 1st January 2008. Appointments cancelled less than 24 hours before the appointment time, will be charged at 100% of the appointment fee whether the appointment is re-booked or not. Clients who fail to attend arranged appointments will be charged 100% of the appointment fee plus travel costs, whether the appointment is re-booked or not. Appointments cancelled less than 1 week before the appointment time will be charged at 50% of the appointment fee, whether the appointment is re-booked or not. Fazza, what is "defensive handling" ? Defensive Handling Skills Half Day (4 hours) £150 Actually, tats a great idea Shelley, you could charge a quarted of this and still make a fortune | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10803 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:55 pm | |
| complete f**k witts by the sounds i havent looked at the site but after reading wat you posted shelley i can tell i will lend them rostam for a day see f they survie | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:57 pm | |
| Said so well Fazza :2445:
I just saw the ad in paper, didnt even realise it had a webpage until Shelley said, thats how much notice I took of it. I just thought I would post it anyway. Wish I hadnt now :nhy:
I doubt they could cope with a "challenging dog" at all. | |
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fredsmum Admin
Number of posts : 31916 Age : 49 Location : posh part of derby Rep : 48 Points : 35959 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 7:58 pm | |
| they sound like money grabbers who are cashing in on people wanting to train their dogs .... '' Appointments cancelled less than 1 week before the appointment time will be charged at 50% of the appointment fee, whether the appointment is re-booked or not.'' and that is just ridiculous how much fookin time do they need | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10803 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:05 pm | |
| cheers paula i know i have a way of putting things lol
the fluffy brigade at it again who dont belive in anything that works but will quite happily tell you pitt bulls are dangerous ect ect and any dog that growls should be destroyed whoppee f**king nobs | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:08 pm | |
| Thats exactly what I thought Fazza. Wonder if they have a premium rate phone number too Shelley? Grabbing b'stards :2431: | |
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fredsmum Admin
Number of posts : 31916 Age : 49 Location : posh part of derby Rep : 48 Points : 35959 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:11 pm | |
| :2431: its quite worrying actually cos anyone can set up a website and dish out advice via e-mail and charge over the odds, doesnt mean youre a professional dog trainer :nhy: and i bet theres a few questions they ask you before they take your dog on, i.e if your dogs too agressive they wont do it | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10803 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:13 pm | |
| i wanted to go to a training day *which i do a lot with my dogs* and it said if your dog is not good with ppl or other dogs its not welcome i thought ok wats the f**king point then found it very odd and made me relise they must be shite at what they do | |
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fredsmum Admin
Number of posts : 31916 Age : 49 Location : posh part of derby Rep : 48 Points : 35959 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:14 pm | |
| thats true faz, cos the main problem people have with dogs is such issues | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:16 pm | |
| A few snippets taken from various pages on there. They do make themselves sound "professional" unless you know better.
Danielle Damon BSc(Hons), Dip.CABT, MPAACT
is the owner of Purple Pet Behaviour & Training Services.
She has been practicing as a Pet Behaviour Counsellor and Trainer for 12 years, working mainly with dogs and cats. Danni is registered with CAPBT (COAPE Association of Pet Behaviourists & Trainers), the UK's largest Register of Qualified Behaviour Counsellors and is a member of PAACT (The Professional Association of Applied Canine Trainers). She has also been an Expert Witness for the RSPCA in some of their prosecution cases.
Danni holds a BSc(Hons) in Psychology and an Advanced Diploma in Companion Animal Behaviour & Training (COAPE).
Danni's interest in animals started as a young child. While her friends just wanted to throw a ball for their dogs, Danni wanted to train them! Years later, after rescuing a particularly troubled German Shepherd dog with serious behavioural difficulties, she decided to learn how to help animals like him who couldn't help themselves.
NB: If your dog is reactive or aggressive with other dogs, then you would need to look at behavioural intervention to address the problem, as an obedience class environment would not be suitable in this instance.
NB: It is important that you visit your vet prior to booking a consultation, to rule out any underlying medical problem that may be causing the behaviour (this is especially important in cases of sudden onset aggression). It may be necessary in certain circumstances, for Danni to recommend a course of drug therapy alongside any behavioural programme, so liaising with your vet is essential.
Some examples of behaviour problems: Separation Stress, Aggression, Food/Object Guarding, Tail/Shadow Chasing, Noise Phobias, Predatory Behaviour (chasing cars/bikes/people/animals), Fears/Anxieties.
NB: Handlers and/or owners remain responsible for their dogs at all times and are advised to ensure they have adequate pet or household insurance cover for liability in the unlikely event of damage or injury caused by their dog to property or to a third party.
C.A.T. is a revolutionary new therapy, developed in the US by Dr. Jesus Rosales-Ruiz and Kellie Snyder, for the treatment of aggressive behaviour in dogs.
It is a simple technique that uses 'shaping' to build better behaviours and produces stronger and faster results than the conventional 'counter conditioning and desensitisation' methods.
The programme works for aggressive behaviour towards other animals and humans in all situations.
Firstly a detailed questionairre must be filled in by the owners and checked through with the behaviourist.
A programme is then agreed upon and sessions are started. A miniumum of four sessions is recommended although results are usually seen within the first session. Sessions vary in length dependant on progress made.
The style of therapy means that the behaviourist does all the work during the session, which takes the onus off of the owners.
Danni has had excellent results with this therapy and is now offering this service to clients.
If you are interested in this programme of therapy, please contact Danni for more details. | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10803 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:17 pm | |
| well this is it so what do they train FFS thats why i like working dog ppl and there clubs as they know wat they are doing and pup is welcome lol | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10803 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:19 pm | |
| havent read it all but f**k they do drug therapy have you guys heard what this can do to your dogs its disgusting | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:21 pm | |
| Its seems these are the same Fazza, they do one on one "shaping" instead of letting them interact or be around other dogs. My opinion, if you have a dog that goes crazy when it sees another dog, they will often forget any training you do away from other dogs, in the meantime, people will assume their dog is fine as they have completed this course and take the dog out all "fixed". I think this could be quite dangeous. You know some people will take this "trainer's" word as gospel and do just that 2431
"It is a simple technique that uses 'shaping' to build better behaviours and produces stronger and faster results than the conventional 'counter conditioning and desensitisation' methods." :: | |
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fredsmum Admin
Number of posts : 31916 Age : 49 Location : posh part of derby Rep : 48 Points : 35959 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:22 pm | |
| i dont like the sound of these at all :nhy: | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10803 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:25 pm | |
| they use fancy word which i have to say i do use but using drugs on a dog with issues is sooo wrong if they have a fear for example they drug them but the drug just stops the animal expressing behaviours whilst still being aware of the great fear it feels thus making it worse and making the dog feel as tho they are trapped in their bodys
im in a mood and this just makes me mad reading their shite | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8903 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:27 pm | |
| Its all wrong Fazza. Its like those Analgesiacs (I think they are called) they immobilise you but you can still feel the pain, just cant move. Drugging some dogs reminds me of that. What happens when they arent drugged anymore? Cos I cant see their methods of training working, from what little I have read. | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10803 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:30 pm | |
| exactly hun try training the owner ffs that is the key for the owner to learn how to deal with situations ect god i have rowed with ppl like this many times over yet they think im cruel as i use a prong | |
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fredsmum Admin
Number of posts : 31916 Age : 49 Location : posh part of derby Rep : 48 Points : 35959 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: Shelley Tue May 05, 2009 8:34 pm | |
| i was unsure when i read that the trainer trains the dog taking the burden off the owner... | |
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