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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:52 am | |
| Ok my 19 month old Terv has a new habbit that I am keen to discourage. Can you suggest a way to stop him please? He has started going up to joggers while we are out on our walks and giving them a *wedgie* ( sorry if this is too crude a discription but I don't know how else to describe what he does). He goes up behind them and gently (yes gently) sticks his nose up you know where - I've started recalling him to me when I see a jogger but I would prefer him to just not do it. His nose is at just the right height too!! :2431: Can anyone help me? Many thanks Superterv's Mum Sori | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10760 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:02 pm | |
| :2431: :san42: :san42: :san42: well better then wat my malinois would do eh i would suggest re training a good recall hun and not letting him off untill it is spot on and then wen it is let him off if you see a jogger recall and reward then as they have past let him off wen he does it i would correct him tho and make sure he knows its not acceptable lol | |
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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:07 pm | |
| He has a wonderful recall, thats not the problem, it just if I can't see a jogger coming and they appear round a corner or such like. | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10760 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:21 pm | |
| i would say from a dog training point of view tho hun the recal is not strong enough other wise no matter what he would come back
example for what i do with my workers, the thing they want most in the world is that guy in the bite suite lol we send them after the guy but we then recall them off and our dogs come back in a instant. so even tho to them the bite is the biggest reward they get they know if they come back the reward will be even higher does that make sence.
so your lad may have a great recall wen there are normal stimulus about but wen joggers are about they are a high reward to him so he wont listen to you as you have nothing in return for him thats beats sniffing someones ass lol
so you need to become the most important thing to him in order to combat it, but if he keeps learning he can get away from you and be rewarded for it hes in effect self rewarding himself so doesnt need you. so thats were re-training the recall comes in and getting it more solid x | |
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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:04 pm | |
| I think I'm not explaining things properly . 2's recall is 100%, he will recall from an inch away from a person or even mid sniff. The problem I guess is me - if I don't see the jogger until its too late (if they are coming from behind, or from round a corner). Its not as though 2 will go far from me (30 ft is about as far as he goes), but I don't have eyes in the back of my head to see joggers approaching from behind me (they move faster than I do). Anyway maybe this has explained things a bit better - I don't want to have to lead walk my dog all the time - its not fair on him. I am limited to where I can walk him (access issues as I am disabled and use a mobility scooter). Forgive me for not explaining more clearly the first time. Sori | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8860 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:33 pm | |
| Dogs dont have to go offlead, I dont allow mine off when they decide to ignore me. They have to earn the right, if they cant behave appropriately, they stay on lead by my side and a few weeks later we will try again. | |
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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:42 pm | |
| So the answer is to keep him on a lead - that's not teaching him anything though is it? Hopefully its just a phase.. Maybe I should just campaign for all joggers to wear a bell so I can hear them coming Sori | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10760 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:22 pm | |
| the answer isnt to keep him on lead but if you dont have the correct control under the DDA you are actually commiting a offence so if a jogger doesnt like dogs and tervs are not a small breed. then you could get into trouble
if like you say you have 100% recall well done i mean even mine are not 100% and they are working dogs but he is still doing it so the answer would be to train him to stop doing this.
so how you ask well if he was mine he would be put on the lead untill he learns not to run off after joggers and then wen hes got it in his head it is unacceptable behaviour for which he will not be rewarded then and only then off lead by joggers.
but by keeping him off lead hes only learning how little control you do have and self rewarding at the same time hence the behaviour he displays. so you need to become no1 in his wold and more intresting like i said b4 so get a fave toy and do some work with that
what training have you done with him? does his have a fave toy h plays with, with you? | |
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liverbird Admin
Number of posts : 15537 Age : 67 Location : posh part of scouseland :) Rep : 31 Points : 20716 Registration date : 2009-01-08
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10760 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:30 pm | |
| one of the 4 belgian shepherds hun this is the tervuren the longer coated type like the grovendale *sp* but the grovy is all black | |
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Paula
Number of posts : 5647 Age : 46 Location : Derby UK Rep : 4 Points : 8860 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:48 pm | |
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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:55 pm | |
| This is my Groenendael He is also my working assistance dog :love: Something I'm hoping 2 will learn to do in time :san39: Sori | |
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SUMMER Moderator
Number of posts : 6955 Age : 67 Location : Fife Scotland Rep : 17 Points : 12029 Registration date : 2009-01-13
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:09 pm | |
| Great pic,he's lovely :love: | |
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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:16 pm | |
| - SUMMER wrote:
- Great pic,he's lovely :love:
Thanks, he is the love of my life :2286: (along with 2 of course) | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10760 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:38 pm | |
| awww lovely what are all the rosettes for? is 2 the name of your terv lol
wont tell you what i call my malinois :whisteling: | |
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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:08 pm | |
| 2 is the name of my Terv :san52: He's my second. My Groen competes at agilty for fun with his handler - it gives him a break from work, and he absolutely loves it. Not bad for a dog whom they said would never be able to walk sound again . Sori | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10760 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:11 pm | |
| awwww why what happend to the lil fella?
nice to see the BS competing i used to do agility with my GSD and started with my mali but moved south for work
awww cute name hun | |
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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:17 pm | |
| 2's real name is Tumai (meaning gift of life) as it is pronounced two-my I just type 2 (and as I said he is my second terv so it fits). My Groen is called Shayman (self explanitory I hope, it has the 'y' in it because you should have heard what people called him when it wasn't included!). Shay broke his front let at Discover Dogs at Earls Court 2 1/2 years ago when he was representing his breed. The KC hadn't errected the barrier around the dog correctly and he trapped his leg in it and broke it badly. He showed very little pain so on the advice of the onsite vet we stayed and finished the day - if I only knew :cryyyyyy:
Sori | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10760 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:23 pm | |
| ohhh bloody hell!!!! thats not good is it nice to know hes ok tho would have took my lad back to agility now i have moved back up here but not for me they are all collies at our club lol and Rostam is a lil extreme | |
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Sandra Admin
Number of posts : 20040 Age : 61 Location : Ammanford Rep : 22 Points : 22477 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:42 pm | |
| Nice looking dog you have, aww, that sounds terrible about his leg, what did they do? did they support you with it, I would be fuming if that happened to one of mine :Angry: | |
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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:51 pm | |
| - Sandra wrote:
- Nice looking dog you have, aww, that sounds terrible about his leg, what did they do? did they support you with it, I would be fuming if that happened to one of mine :Angry:
Oh first off the KC accepted liability and then they retracted, so I went and got a solicitor (not as easy as it sounds as most lawyers who know are prepared to take on dogs as clients are members of the KC :san54: !!) We ended up settling and I got enough to clear all vet fees (specialists and therapists) and buy 2. I was not amused I have to say, poor Shay had to be carried for 4 months, was terrified of his own shadow and was miserable. At least now it is behind him... They've lost a really good dog for DD now though as I won't put him through going back, even if he now could do it physically. Sigh Sori | |
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Sandra Admin
Number of posts : 20040 Age : 61 Location : Ammanford Rep : 22 Points : 22477 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:55 pm | |
| Glad you won in the end, after all there would be no Discover dogs if people didn't take their breed there for the public, and the KC make a load of money from it with the prices they charge Main thing is that Shay is over it now :love: | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10760 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:57 pm | |
| bloody awful thing to happen tho and you deserved to get all fees paid would have been even worse if he couldnt work again tho!!! | |
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Superterv
Number of posts : 11 Rep : 3 Points : 5459 Registration date : 2009-04-30
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:10 pm | |
| - GR8GSD wrote:
- bloody awful thing to happen tho and you deserved to
get all fees paid would have been even worse if he couldnt work again tho!!! It took 8 months to come to an agreement :san56:. It was thought for even longer than he wouldn't be able to work again - its thanks to a wonderful vets, and all the work that the different alternative therapists put in to him (acupuncture, reiki, hydrotherapy, massage, shiatsu, homeopathy). He still needs a DAP collar sometimes to help him. 2 is here because of that danger which is one good thing to come out of all this. | |
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GR8GSD
Number of posts : 7339 Location : happy land Rep : 15 Points : 10760 Registration date : 2008-12-28
| Subject: Re: An unwanted use for a wedge shaped nose? Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:14 pm | |
| blooming hell yes heard great things about DAP collars
its a lot for the poor chap to go through | |
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